Thursday, July 18, 2019

ASMFC'S STRIPED BASS MANAGEMENT SHOULD REFLECT REALITIES OF THE FISHERY


One size does not fit all.

Yet too often in fisheries management, we see the same model—managing for a high, if arguably sustainable, yield—dominate discussions, even when it doesn’t make very much sense. 




“I know that my stakeholders—we’ve heard from a number of them today—have concerns over the reductions that have been taken as a result of Addendum IV
“There has been a great deal of hardship in Maryland.  The commercial charterboat captains have gone out of business as a result of the actions that have been taken.  I would like to have it on the record, Mr. Chairman, in your opinion when will stakeholders have an opportunity and when will this board have an opportunity to look at making management change [to increase landings] for the future or are we expecting to just hold the line where we are indefinitely into the future?
“…we’ve made the argument before we felt that these reductions were extreme.  I’ve heard the word ‘crisis’ from my stakeholders.  The charter, the recreational and the commercial industry are suffering greatly as a result of the reductions that we’ve taken.”

Apparently, even that wasn’t enough.  


Mr. Clark and Mr. Luisi apparently believe that leaving even one extra striped bass in the ocean, to survive and to grow and contribute to the spawning stock, when that fish could have been killed without exceeding the fishing mortality target, is akin to creating an Eighth Deadly Sin.  Because he seems to believe that high harvest levels are the only attribute of successful fishery management, Mr. Luisi argued

“…if we were to move from 0.16 to 0.18, it would be a small tick, maybe a 5 to 8 percent liberalization, in terms of numbers.  Maybe that’s what it would be.  I don’t have the number to refer to in front of me.  But what I’m thinking about and what I’m looking at, is the fact that perhaps just that very small change could be something that saves a few of the fishermen in my state.
“A half an inch in minimum size could mean a lot to our fleets, our charterboat and recreational fleet; more so to the charterboat community.  I’ve been thinking about this and thinking about what we could do as a next step.”
Again, it’s hard to understand why the recreational fleet needed a half-inch reduction in the minimum size limit, when they were already grossly overfishing their share of the landings under Addendum IV, but Mr. Luisi never seems to be too concerned about such overage.

He actually convinced the Management Board to task the Technical Committee with providin an idea of what sort of management measures would achieve a .02 increase in the fishing mortality rate, although in the end, such changes were never adopted.


Yet when you take a good look at the striped bass fishery, none of that makes any sense.

The first thing that managers need to acknowledge is that the striped bass fishery is primarily a recreational fishery.  

Yes, there is a commercial component, but the most recent benchmark stock assessment found that it only accounts for about 10% of the overall fishing mortality, making it a relatively minor part of the overall fishery.  Even if the commercial share of the fishery doubled, something that could arguably occur if the stock continues to decline and so leads to bass being less available to anglers, 80% of the fishing mortality would still be attributable to anglers. 

In addition, the commercial harvest is relatively simple to control, as effort remains fairly consistent and reductions can be assured merely by cutting the commercial quota and assessing paybacks when such quota is exceeded.  Regulating the recreational fishery, which is much more affected by local and coastwide abundance, weather, other angling opportunities, etc., is a far more difficult process.


To begin, the fishery is dominated by surfcasters and the private boat fleet, with surfcasters claiming the highest level of fishing activity.  

For all of the past five years, 2015-2018, inclusive, anglers fishing between Maine and North Carolina made about 87.4 million fishing trips that primarily targeted striped bass.  Of those trips, about 45.6 million, or 52%, were made by surfcasters, 40.3 million, or 46%, by fishermen on private boats, 1.4 million, or 1.6%, by charter boat anglers, and just 0.2 million, or 0.2%, by party boat fishermen.

Those numbers vary a little by region.  In New England, surfcasters account for nearly 60% of all trips made, private boat anglers for just 39%, charter boat fishermen for 1% and party boats for less than 0.1%.  In the Mid-Atlantic, the surfcasters’ share drops to 46%, while private boats can claim a bare majority of all striped bass trips with 51%.  But charter and party boat trips are still a very small part of overall effort, at less than 2% and 0.3%, respectively.  (Note that, in all cases, rounding error might result in numbers not adding up to precisely 100%.)

Thus, while representatives of the charter and party boat industries are often among the most demanding stakeholders, the majority of whom often vigorously oppose needed conservation measures, they represent a very small minority of targeted striped bass trips.  When considering how management measures affect recreational striped bass fishermen, the ASMFC would do well to tailor such measures to the 98% of trips taken by surfcasters and small boat fishermen, and not to the 2% of trips attributable to the for-hire industry. 

It should also be noted that the for-hire striped bass fishery is not of one mind on striped bass management measures.  

While party boats and larger “six-pack” charter boats tend to favor rules that facilitate harvest, there are also a significant number of charter boat operators who fish from smaller boats.  They often call themselves “guides” to distinguish them from the rest of the for-hire fleet, emphasize the overall angling experience rather than merely dead fish on the dock, and are very strong proponents of effective striped bass conservation.  Such “guides’” trips are included in the charter boat totals, even though the guides’ philosophy on striped bass management is closer to that of the surfcasters and private boat fleet.

It is also important to note that catch-and-release angling is a very strong component of the recreational striped bass fishery.  

During the five years between 2014 and 2018, anglers between Maine and Florida caught slightly more than 17 million striped bass.  Of those fish, only about 14.8% were harvested; the remaining 85.2% were released.  Release percentages ranged from a low of 77.6% in 2014 (when the bag limit was still two fish in most places, which should have theoretically reduced the number of regulatory discards) to 91.5% in 2018 (when an influx of fish from the large 2015 year class increased the number of undersized fish in the catch).

Ultimately, the striped bass fishery can be characterized as a fishery that

1.       Is dominated by the recreational sector;
2.       Sees 98% of all recreational trips made by surfcasters and private boat anglers; and
3.       Has a strong commitment to catch-and-release angling.

In such a fishery, managing for yield, instead of abundance, is absolutely the wrong way to go, both in the context of maintaining a “quality” recreational fishery and in the context of maximizing economic gain from the fishery.  

NMFS data makes it clear that angling effort, and so economic benefits, are driven by striped bass abundance, with directed trips dropping from 19.3 million in 2014, to 18.5 million in 2015, 17.4 million in 2016, 16.8 million in 2017 and 15.5 million in 2018, as striped bass abundance declined.  There is no reason to believe that the number of trips targeting striped bass, and thus the economic value of the recreational striped bass fishery, will not continue to decline if the striped bass population is not rebuilt.

Thus, whether a Management Board member is more concerned with the long-term health of the striped bass stock or the short-term economic benefits to business, conserving striped bass and rebuilding the stock are clearly the right way to go.

And managing for landings, rather than for abundance, is a fool’s errand, for it accomplishes neither goal.




23 comments:

  1. One thing the author of this article should understand, the recreational fishermen in Maryland we're killing more fish than they were catching, so, are Maryland Department of Natural Resources were the first on the coast to take drastic conservation measures to the the problem with the Dead discards. Where the heck were you? Did your state make any measures? Did your state make any effort whatsoever to reduce they're fishing mortality? At least the state of Maryland took the initiative for conservation measures before anyone else did, and Mike luisi should be applied for this effort and not be belittled for the efforts he hss set forth. Are fishery in Maryland, along with our ecosystem in the Chesapeake Bay, is one of a kind and is different than any other area up and down the East Coast from Maine to Florida. Striped bass spawn here, grow up here, and even some remain here before the others leave to migrate. It just so happens, that those that rely on these big fish to either Harvest or pet and put back, try to put the blame on Maryland because they can't Harvest 40+ers. Well maybe it's about time Maryland sets the tide and let's see other states see exactly what are fishery is like. The bottom line is, is different than anywhere else on the entire East Coast. Fact!! Maryland just be fine, and I'm sure we are capable of managing our own fish by ourselves. Other states may like to help, but hindering is not the answer.

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  2. Yes, the Maryland fishery is different, because it is one of the very few fisheries where anglers kill immature fish before they have a chance to spawn, an archaic practice that should have been stopped long ago. And while Maryland did put in a circle hook requirement to reduce discard mortality, it also dropped the size limit by an inch. As a result, while the circle hook rule reduced discard mortality, it did nothing to reduce overall fishing mortality; it merely converted dead discards to dead harvest. It did nothing to conserve the bass. Yes, Maryland anglers kill more fish in discards than they harvest but there is a remedy for that. It's called a season. If Maryland outlawed striped bass fishing in, say, June, July and August, when release mortlaity is highest, perhaps it could attain the 20.5% reduction, compared to 2012, as it committed itself to doing in 2014. The philosophy in Maryland seems to be "Kill them while they're young, before they migrate to the coast." without recognizing the impact that has on the overall fishery, and on the spawning stock. It's time that Maryland did its duty, and made the cuts it agreed to in Addendum IV, rather than pushing off the conservation burden on every other state on the coast.

    The problem is that you're thinking of Maryland-spawned bass as "your fish." They're not. They belong to every state along the migration route, which manage them cooperatively through ASMFC. It's time that Marylad begins to cooperate, instead of violatihg its obligations under the management plan.

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  3. You've laid out this article so clearly and with such precision...beautifully written Charles. The average angler doesn't follow these issues closely, go to the meetings or read the data. However, this article can reach them. Everything you said was spot on, and if one actually researches this stuff, they'll come to similar conclusions. Thank you for laying this out.

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  4. Charles...

    In fact this is extremely bias laden and inaccurate blog once again as this regulatory exercise is specifically due to what MRIP and more so now, the -re-calibration has shown as greater than 98 percent of 'harvest' is done by the private vessel and shore bound mode. Are you now doing another of your flip-flops in saying that this is not true, and please save us the spin on looking at the PSE as this has been one of the main points of contention when discussing the inherent problems with MRIP estimates?

    Second fact is clearly obvious with Wave 2 - NY in 2019 with the largest total catch and resulting harvest done by whom....private vessels, and there was little if any trips made by the one NY party boat in the area. More so, there was as few as five (if that many in April) NY registered charter boats making trips, and the 262,500 striped bass were directly attributed to with the observed harvested by private vessels and over a million released alive - which in itself with the 9% DM (discard mortality) is more fish "killed" as you constantly parrot, then the party boat industry has harvested from a time period of 2010 to the spring of 2019!

    You have consistently stated, not only in your blogs but as well at the MRAC meetings that, 1) MRIP is improving, 2) the NAS has given them on review, a clean bill as far as the integrity of the program with only a few issues that need to be corrected, and 3) what ‘you’ have written about everyone like myself was "100%" wrong (your words) after the recalibration came out last year.

    Charles you are always blaming those who are taking the most from a particular fishery, no matter the sector, and this time you purposely neglect to support mandating the cuts to those directly responsible who have removed the most fish out of what you called an abundant striped bass fishery, since its peak.

    Time and again we remind you that fish are not "play things" to amuse those who have the incomes to charter a vessel, then immediately after, go off to a restaurant for a nice fish dinner. The demographics in this region of NY, and as recently reported by a Newsday article show a quickly growing influx of people from nations around the world who have lower incomes, and thus when they fish, wish to take something home for a dinner as they do not have the luxury to charter a vessel or pay for a pricey meal after their fishing trip.

    You're comments once again come off as prejudicial to the working people here in the NY-NJ area who pay for a fishing trip and would like to take home a fish for dinner, and somehow you bash those in the for-hire industry who try to support the interests of these people who do not attend meetings, write public comments or respond to your prejudicial and bias laden blog. These are the fishermen who are disproportionately negatively and economically impacted by those who have the means to pay for a ‘guide’ chartered trip. More so, the for-hire industry made up of small businesses in NY has not asked for a higher possession limit or an allowance – and in your own unthoughtful and poorly chosen words, “bring more fish across the dock.”

    Charles, this is typical of your mindset, and continues a pattern of disturbing 'spin' because we are going to use the best available data on striped bass catch and harvest which the new and improved MRIP estimates have presented the ASMFC technical people and is used for regulatory purposes.

    I will show you mine as in data, and we will hold you to your past statements on what MRIP is presenting with their estimates. The private vessel and shore bound anglers are the two modes that have caused the diminishment and "lack of abundance" to the striped bass fishery. They did it, and they should in a regulatory data driven environment, pay for it by taking all of the impending mandatory 17% reduction.


    Steve EC Newellman
    NY RFHFA
    07.29.19

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    1. Extremely biased? No, these are the numbers, taken from the accepted source, and they say what they say. You may not like what they say, but they are the numbers that the regulators use. Unless you have numbers from a source that has faced an equivalent statistical review, National Academies review, etc., I don't think that any numbers you have are as valid.

      Yes, you're right about PSEs. That's why I first used regional numbers for entire years, then combined five full years of data, to let the "law of large numbers take effect, and cancel out the impact of outliers. But even if you take each year on its own, things don't change significantly. with the total for-hire trips ranging between 1.24 of all directed striped bass trips (2016) and 2.05% (2015, 2017). No wild outliers to discredit the data.

      Yes, the 2019 Wave 2 NY numbers look bad, but the PSE for that data is off the charts, and merely demontrates why using numbers broken down by state, mode and wave is a foolish thing to do.

      The bottom line, no matter how hard you try to spin it, is that the for-hire industry is a relatively minor player in the striped bass fishery--although they do kill a disproportionate number of bass. Using NY figures for 2014-2018 NY for-hires only accounted for 2.56% of the directed striped bass trips, but were responsible for 12.34% of the landings. So you can understand why I wouldn't want to see for-hires fishing under rules different from those that governed the rest of the fleet, and gave them an even more disproportionATE share of the landings.

      Working men? Old, tired argument. Take a look at who makes up the ranks of the surfcasters, which account for about half of all trips. If anyone is a "working man," most of them qualify--and yet they release a greater percentage of bass than the folks on the boats, private OR for-hire.

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  6. Charles, Charles….

    No, no, no…and do you need some help in reading the MRIP data query file, the same one for the latest full year 2018 FINAL estimates which report for the two biggest party boat states when it comes to targeting striped bass? Data sets show (TOTAL CATCH (TYPE A + B1 + B2):

    NEW YORK
    SHORE -Total Catch 1,050,505 PSE 31.7
    PRIVATE- Total Catch 1,043,149 PSE 26.1
    PARTY B- Total Catch 28,372 PSE 44.9

    NEW JERSEY
    SHORE - Total Catch 1,601,456 PSE 23.9
    PRIVATE-Total Catch 1,580,519 PSE 21.8
    PARTY B-Total Catch 3,855 PSE 47.5

    PSEs sure look reliable here; wouldn’t you agree Charles? Now who would you believe is having a greater impact on the striped bass biomass?

    Should we go any further with other northeast states that have a very small party boat component like CT., RI. and MA., to see the disproportionate number of striped bass “killed,” (again your prose) and then you question the reason why we are against the reductions for the for-hire mode after seeing these numbers?

    The primary question is,

    “Who is causing the striped bass biomass to contract over the last 15 years?”

    Clearly it is the private vessel and shore bound mode as documented by the very program which time and again you have vigorously defended and use for YOUR numbers which you post in your blog and which you have stated the program is improving.

    Didn’t you say and write that the new and MRIP re-calibration is an improvement? Am I all of a sudden “just making this up?”

    See folks, Charles is pulling what we here in NYC see as an shell game in pointing to one thing and giving a distorted narrative while the real bottom line is that the MRIP data stands for what it is, and that is in reporting total catch and harvest which is directly used without considering outliers or use of statistical smoothing methods in what is presented to both regulators and the fishing public.

    Outliers?

    All of a sudden you are worried about outliers in data sets…really Charles? Somehow you forgot that when we discuss black sea bass.

    Total trips?

    This is simple on the for-hire end with eVTR and paper VTR data as there is nothing to estimate, unlike the private vessel and shore bound modes. The for-hire mode differs when compared in effort and in contrast to the number of trips to the private vessel and shore bound mode which are estimates….and we full well know that this is how MRIP works as was noted during the re-calibration discussions on the ‘discovered’ substantial increase in effort in the private vessel and shore bound mode.

    It undercuts your claim made a few years back at a MRAC meeting of not wanting to come back to the table again to discuss more cuts - since you did not target the cuts directly to who is killing more than 9 out of 10 striped bass.

    We have little idea on what these private vessel and shore bound mode fishers are actually catching, but we are guided by the science from the last benchmark assessment when viewed as a fishery that is concentrated from Virginia to just north of Cape Cod, by far the data time and again shows the private vessel and shore bound mode bringing us back to the regulatory table in August of 2019.

    More troubling is the claim of a so-called ‘guides’ component (essential a de-facto elitist mode) who will go about to catch and release 60 or more striped bass on their charter mode trip and are clueless to the fact of the 9% DM (discard mortality) and thus have “killed” almost the same amount of fish as a standard 6 man charter. Once again, is this made up alternate facts to what the guiding light charter operations are doing during their trips?

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  7. PART II

    Now to your statement,

    “So you can understand why I wouldn't want to see for-hires fishing under rules different from those that governed the rest of the fleet.”

    Who are you…other than an all too long MRAC advisor (at this point) who is now NOT guided by the obvious MRIP data and the statistical science behind modeled population estimates which all of a sudden is not to your liking?

    It is interesting to hear and read your comments over the years when the for-industry petitioned for sector separation or, what would be more appropriate in this case in 2019 with a differential regulatory framework which would hold status quo for for-hire at 28” and the private vessel and shore bound mode moving to what seems to suit your taste since you are a catch and release fishermen, 36” for the latter modes. How can you and your ilk have issue here since this would not directly impact you or your guiding light associates who normally as you claim, do not harvest many fish?

    Why should you be bothered by differential size limits as we are trying to rebuild the striped bass fishery, and targeting those who have directly caused “as per the MRIP data” the downward biomass trend with the stock?

    Currently the for-hire industry is a minor player at best here, and the latest and MOST UP TO DATE data illustrates who has caused striped bass to be less abundant. As I type this response out I am looking at the FINAL 2018 MRIP Striped Bass Total Catch Estimates and I would recommend a visit to a licensed ophthalmologist to improve seeing the data sets within the charts (I will bring an enlarged Xerox copy for you to look over at the next meeting) as I am trying as best to help you become more informed with the facts.

    Finally to your working-man comment which once again exposes your bias. I clearly stated the socio-demographic change especially in the NYC and Long Island which is documented (and I did note to look at Newsday which does regularly publish this info) some of the fastest Hispanic and other foreign born people moving into and living in our area. It is very doubtful these are the working class surfcasters who spend hundreds of dollars on plugs and other terminal tackle, wear branded fishing clothing and expensive sunglasses, have custom rods built and use Van Staal Reels.

    We in the for-hire industry are alongside the people who come down and fish with us, and see what these fishermen use for tackle, and it again shows how little you know about the people who fish upon party and charter boats in our area.

    Steve EC Newellman
    NY RFHFA
    07.20.19

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  8. I'm trying to decide whether you lack reading comprehension skills, or are intentionally trying to misrepresent my comments.

    You claim that I didn't read the data correctly, but the fact is, you didn't read my comments correctly. I talked about "for hire" landings, not just party boats, but party and chharter. I also never gave data specific to 2018 which also renders your comment off the mark. In addition, most of the figures that I gave were coastwide, as is relevant for a migratory stock, and not NY specific, except when I compared the 5-year average of NY for-hire trips to the five-yar average of NY for-hire landings (both in percentages).

    But if you want to go down that road, yes, in 2018, the
    In 2018, NY's FOR HIRE trips--not merely the party boats--was 1.41% of overall trips. But as you say, the PSW is high when you break things down that far, so when we look at combined 5-year figures, it's a little higher than that, at 2.56%s, because you get years like 2015 where the for-hire share was 4.02%.

    So when you challenge what I write, you really ought to challenge what I actually said, and not make an argument that sort-or sounds like what I said in what looks like an effort to deceive readers. Anyone who reads both sides and has a modicum of intelligence will see it, and it makes you appear to be either unable to fully comprehend my arguments, or to be acting in bad faith.

    The best way to resolve problems is to drop all of the personal attacks and misleading comments, and address the issue head-on.

    Take sector separation for example. While I was opposed to the way it was presented in 2015, I'm completely on board with a well-constructed sector separation scheme. If the for-hir3es want a 28-inch fish, I'm prepared to agree to that--provided that the reduced minimum size is also accomplanied by seasons that would constrain NY for-hires to the same 12.34% of landings that they enjoyed over the past 5 years, and so prevented a de facto reallocation of fish from the private to for-hire sector. I'd also support individual vesselquotas, based on VTRs, that let a boat catch its fish whenever they chose to, but requied them to exit the fishery once the boat's quota was filled (I believe that is the right answer to the black sea bas fishery, allowing a 12-month season and no enforced bag limit for the for-hires, but a requirement that they stay tied to the dock once the boat's quota was filled. Thart would make landings more of a business decision that each boat could decide for itself.)

    But separate regulaions that allow for-hire boats to fish under more favorable rules than other anglers, I would vehemently oppose.

    Also, I never took the position that the sector that was responsible for the greatest share of the harvest shouldn't shoulder the greatest burden of rebuilding. If the privat sector is responsible for 87.66% of the landings, it should be responsible for 87.66% if the conservatin burden. But that doesn't mean that the for-hires should have no reponsibility at all; it should be responsible for reducing mortality by 12.34%. Everyone will benefit when the stock is recovered, so everyone should contribute to the rebuilding. No one should be immmune.

    Finally, I find your characterization of the surfcasting community laughable. Yes, some throw hand-tunred plugs and own Van Staals. But there are plenty of folks out there tossing bunker chunks on Ugly Sticks, too. AGain, intentionally mischaracterizing a situation doesn't provide your arguments with any sort of strength, it merely exhibits their weakness.

    It's the argument that can be made purely on the facts, without personal attacks or attempts to mislead, that will, in the end, be convincing. Anything else smells of desperation.

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  9. Response will be broken down in three parts by Steve EC Newellman - NY RFHFA:

    Charles….

    Is there a sarcasm box which I should check off at this point after reviewing your last response? Let’s review the prejudicial and racial undertone in a number of your blog posts over the past years with your most noted being a reference to Joseph Goebbels (yes in a fishing blog) and comments about party boat patrons which brought a swift backlash from the fishing public here on Long Island and were brought to the attention of the NYS DEC MRAC and local politicians.

    Do we also mention how stakeholders from both the commercial and for-hire sector, and even a number in the recreational angling public speak so “ill” (to put it nicely) about you that you have become a unique meme to be parodied in fishing forums and upon socialized media as well as one in which fishermen avoid talking to or with at our NYS DEC MRAC meetings?

    Am I making up how you walk by with your head down as you brush past fishermen at fishery meetings or outside the East Seatucket DEC building with no one saying a word, or when you speak there is hissing and muffled comments made by the audience? Is this the respect you have garnered after a few decades in and around federal and state fishery management? Sad and more so embarrassing at your senior age.

    Haven’t we brought up time and again your ‘fishepedia’ cherry picked alternate facts when you have no professional licensing or grounding in the fishing industry? Have you worked on deck in either the commercial or for-hire sector, or even marine law enforcement which we in the public do not know about?

    Haven’t we mentioned about your alternate data-facts in the past which in the case of the projected biomass on Black Sea Bass being questioned (again to put it nicely) by the fishery specialist Brandon Muffley? “Where did he get this data from?”

    Then you come across with the ever present tinged Charles pomposity and know-it-all arrogance about my comprehension as if you define what is true about using MRIP data estimates, as if you have been correct in the past about the quality of information derived over the past decades from catch and harvest estimates?

    By the way Charles, have you submitted at this time a comment to NOAA on Policy Directive 04-114 in so far as MRIP meeting the minimum standards of the ‘Information Quality Act?’ I have, and will post it later tonight. We would be interested to see what you have to comment about the quality of the re-calibrated and once again re-invented MRIP program.

    This brings us to what we have mentioned time and again about the highly inaccurate MRIP catch and harvest estimates which has created such a negative disparate economic impact to the for-hire industry over the past two decades. Is my comprehension of final MRIP data having a PSE (not ‘PSW’ as you wrote) that exceeds 50 which statistically delineates an imprecise estimate, and at times passes over the 100 threshold which is such a serious matter that these estimates should not be used for management purposes?


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  10. Part 2.

    Just maybe Charles you should spend a few moments going over and looking closely with an MRIP data query on the most robust stock managed by the MAFMC, black sea bass to clearly see a period from 2014 through 2016 where you have the percent standard error in this fishery over 155? Then somehow you want to use and now advocate for in setting up an ITQ sector-separation scenario for the for-hire sector on fisheries such as black sea bass, summer flounder or even striped bass?

    Let that sink in for a moment after the MRIP re-calibration once again - and on average jumped up private vessel and shore bound mode estimates from 2 to 5 times greater for all regulated species than what was previously know, and now you would advocate for future sector separation with essentially two sub-ACLs? In fact, how is that MRIP re-calibration now working out on current summer flounder stock size, and how that projection may in fact being “gravely wrong” in the coming years, to wit:

    “Then, the 24% and 29% average increases in time series catch in numbers and weight due to the ‘New’ MRIP recreational fishery catch estimates result in an increase of about 40% in stock size (i.e., SSB)…”

    Charles, so what is this with the MRIP re-calibration that may now be…wrong in what was reported in SAW-SARC 66? Will this be another of your fantasy island spin-stories about MRIP not being used properly by those fishery scientist from the NEFSC?

    How about this ‘old news’ Charles with all the accountability measures and payback that the for-hire industry has suffered through over the past decade because of the private vessel and shore bound modes which were causing the contraction of the RHL each and every year as the various stocks grew larger, and then these two modes overly exceeding with their harvest overages in the following year?

    Question here while on this thought….Should the ASMFC move towards an immediate Emergency Action to close private vessel and shore bound mode fishery due to NY – Wave 2 striped bass catch and harvest estimates at a time when the biomass is in a decline?

    What is being present here is your distorted view on regulating fisheries where you have consistently messaged in both public and written comments that MRIP is improving and in pointing to people like myself and Captain Monty Hawkins that we were “100% wrong” about MRIP after the re-calibration was rolled out.

    In fact we have this data that is derived from the re-calibrated MRIP estimates:

    Black Sea Bass – For-Hire in 2017 and 2018 have now dipped below 10% of landings in the Mid-Atl and New England region at 9.7% in 2017 and 7.9% in 2018.

    Summer Flounder – For-Hire has now reached at or under 5% with 3.8% in 2017 and 5.4% in 2018.

    With your comments of un-thoughtful thinking, should the private vessel mode have any percentage of technically demanding mid and offshore range fisheries such as golden and blueline tilefish or any of the deepwater complex species, offshore coastal pelagics such as the various tunas or mahi, or even with various groundfish species such as cod, pollock, haddock, halibut or even whiting as they had little if any landings based upon historical landings made during the 1970s, 1980s and through the mid 1990s? One has to ask when private vessel fishermen, of course before GPS and chart plotting machines helped hobbyist fishermen like yourself find structure and obstruction oriented species on a consistent basis like blackfish and sea bass, other than following a for-hire vessel or seeing a cluster of private vessels gather on some artificial reef? Which modes did actually harvest the most fish until these navigational tools were used by private vessel fishermen?

    As for your comments:

    “Everyone will benefit when the stock is recovered,”
    Seems never to apply to black sea bass, even with giving a bare opening to Winter Wave 1 fishing, but somehow works when it applies to striped bass.

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  11. Part 3.


    How dissentious as a self-righteous individual who believes everyone else sitting on the other side of the regulatory table is a fool, after full well knowing your mindset of a consistent pattern of verbal and written attacks against long time for-hire fishing operations and supporting regulatory policies that specifically undermine the economic viability of party and charter operations not only in New York but across the region (yes like pushing the NYS DEC to keep winter flounder harvest closed from May 31st to December 31st).

    Somehow an individual like yourself who sits behind a computer and uses a search engine for information, knows more about our fisheries and the fishing industry then those who have directly been involved in it. Astounding….disturbing, but typical Charles Witek.

    In summation as we again are brought back to the regulatory table for the mandatory cuts because of what the private vessel and shore bound mode irrefutably have done based upon the latest documented MRIP data, you somehow feel that for-hire industry has to again be negatively impacted for a cut….just like with black sea bass and summer flounder.

    Charles…I do not have to make personal attacks. This is business, and we will point out the MRIP data which clearly indicates which modes have caused the striped bass biomass to exhibit such a decline over the past decade and a half. Figuratively, even a blind man can see this.

    Good day,
    Steve EC Newellman
    07.22.19

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  12. Once again, we seem to have a reading comprehensiton issue. The Goebbels reference was to his purpored comments on the "Big Lie" that condemned such tactics and observed that it was unfortunate that the same tactics were being used by Modern fish Act proponents. I stand by that piece, and continue to condemn both Nazis and those who twist data and seek to mislead the public to serve their own ends.

    Why don't some people like me--because I try to do the right thing for the resource, the public and the future of the fishery, instead of worrying about their business' cash flow; becauswe I believe that the industry needs to be scaled to meet the needs of the fishery, and not that the fishery needs to be shaped to suit the industry. Because I take my job as a steward of public trust resources seriously, and don't believe that such resources should first be managed for private profit. In fact, every bit of criticism I receive from that crowd is a matter of pride, because I know that if they don't like what I'm doing, then I must be on the right course.

    Contempt for everyone else in the management process? That's patently untrue. I only have contempt for those who show no resoect for other fishermen, for fishery management process and for the process itself, and instead engage in self-indulgent behavior more fitting to coddled and ill-mannered teens; when I look out at the crowd at an MRAC meeting, it reminds me of nothing so much as a junior high school detention hall, with miscreants nudging and laughing over private jokes, insults being passed, and each one in the room inciting others to bad behavior. So if show contempt, understand that it is contempt that has been hard-earned.

    It's not like the crowd in the room represents the New York fishermen; the vast majority come from that relatively scant number of trips that, as you observe, are attributable to the for-hire fleet. The average fisherman is at his day job, and can't make afternoon meetings.

    Which is also why I laugh when you say that I drop my eyes walking out of a meeting. I don't drop my gazw to anyone walking this earth, and if you perceive that I do, you're kidding yourself And if I were to do so at any time and place, you can be sure it wouldn't be before the crowd that hangs out after MRAC meetings. Might look down to see where the curb is, but no one should flatter thamselves and think I'm responding to them. Quite honestly, given their attitudes and behavior, they mean nothing to me. My concern is for the public interet and the health of the fishery, not for a group of self-serving malcontents.

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  13. As far as what fishermen "know," compared to what can be found in resarch, the answer is that research wins every time. Fishermen know how to catch fish, and know where fish will be under certain conditions, and if anything, that makes them less competent to assess the health of a stock than others; we've seen this in the cod fishery, where fishermen say that there are more cod than ever, when the stock hovers between 5% and 8% of target. Because the average fisherman, particularly in th recreational industry, lives in a very small world, relies on statistically invalid observations, and tends to interpret what he sees in a way that supports his beliefs. By doing research, you are exposed to coastwide patterns of abundance and scarcity, recruitment data, scientific research and, most importantly, ideas that challenge what you believe which if you're trying to find the truth, you need to understand and perhaps accept the fact that your beliefs were wrong and need changing.

    When you're a fisherman, and already think that you know it all, such intellectual growth never occurs. You can be bogged down in error for life.

    The bottom line is that I have a lot of respect for a lot of people in the management process, but not for those who, by their words and their actions, have shown that they don't deserve it, and who show no respect for others.

    Like you say, for you, this is business. For me, it's something far more important--trying to preserve healthy fishries for folks who have not yet been born.

    Compared to that, business is trivial.

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  14. Charles….
    Interesting how you mention here, “for folks who have not yet been born,” yet you support the governor of this state who is on record for having the most radical abortion policies in America.

    Oh, a “man of the people” rebuttal on how you serve the public interest with your “input” in protecting marine resources. If you are such a fair minded individual who is all about working in the best interest of the fishing public, tomorrow at the MRAC meeting make a motion for an upcoming agenda item on voting at the next meeting on all MRAC councilors who have served more than 3 – three year terms to reapply for their position.

    How high can you hold you head in making that request Charles…or is it asking too much for someone to realize that it is not Charles Witek’ seat in an advisory position, but the seat to represent all the people in the Marine Coastal District? What ever happened to the terming out after three terms, or this somehow does not apply for a MRAC kangaroo court advisory position?

    Charles you have no idea about how a fishing business works or does not, and the key for any for-hire business is consistency. With less consistency these days because of quickly changing behavioral interests and demographical changes in this region, and of course to the natural occurrences of nature and unstable weather, but worse with the whip-sawing recreational regulations that are caused by what the private vessel and shore bound mode has caused with the MRIP estimates.

    More so you have supported MRIP and what final data and resulting estimates it has given us in the past along with the white-wash given by the National Academy of Science about the MRIP program. Also within the last year have made statements on the improvements in MRIP right after the re-calibration was rolled out. Yes you then go about trying to smooth out the data over the last years and now support a sector separation scheme since the landings data is so skewed as I have pointed out that it will result with a negative economic impact to most of the for-hire fleet on this coast.

    Now the data doesn’t work for your interests with the private vessel and shore bound mode who has irrefutably caused the decline in the striped bass biomass and worse with the regulatory discards exceeding the harvest, and this being the main reason we are coming back to the regulatory table. Where is your data to disprove what the most recent estimates for NY – Wave 2 with this fishery? Do you have any, or is this more bluster and bravado from a drowning man grasping for a life preserver?

    Where is your public comment to NOAA about the low and useless quality standards of MRIP? Can you produce something that shows one modicum of concern that MRIP has produced worse than unreliable data in what we see with the fishery performance on summer flounder?

    Nothing right…figures.

    I am glad the genie is out of the bottle with your last comments Charles, and we can do this all day in exposing someone who is so self-righteous and thinks so highly of themselves who is confirmed to have little on the water fishing experience. You must be some savant who pontificates on how to run a fishing business while seating upon his ____.…you can fill in the blank, because I highly doubt you would last a year with a successful Charlie Witek shark and sea bass charter business.

    Oh by the way, I haven’t seen you refute any points that I made other than the lame Goebbels explanation. It begs the question for anyone to bring up the name of a sadistic madman in a fishery conversation. Who in their right minds would ever do that….apparently you have Charles Witek.

    Steve EC Newellman
    NY RFHFA
    07.22.19

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  15. Charles
    The people have had enough of your hate speech and bias towards the party and charter boat industry and your backhanded disgusting comments directed at the people who fish on them. You are a disgrace to your position on the MRAC.

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  16. That last may be your funniest statement yet. "The people" have had enough? There are a lot of people out there. A few million right here on Long Island. Many millions more in New York. Over 300 million in the US. They all give you their proxy?

    Whether or not you want to admit it, you're a medium-sized frog in a small pond, croaking for all you're worth trying to convince folks that you matter. You speak for yourself and the mob that you represent, and maybe a few of similar views, and if you think that's "the people," you ought to get out more.

    Yes, people who take the short-term view, looking for immediate profits or a bigger kill, without concern for the future, doesn't like me. That's OK. I don't like them, either.

    You also keep trying to put words in my mouth.

    I do not dislike the entire for hire, or even the entire party boat, fishery. My problem is only with that sector that shows no respect for anyone who disagrees with their position, for fishery managers, for fishery science, or for the management process. As far as I can see, that's far from all the industry alth9ugh it does encompass the yahoos who show up at meetings--MRAC and otherwise--have no sense of decorum or self control, and end up shrieking at meetings, cursing at people in the room, disrupting the proceedings, insulting other speakers, etc. If they expect respect, they need to show respect for everyone else in the room.

    It's also incorrect that I dislike party boat fishermen. So long as they follow the rules, i have no problems. If they poach--as DEC enforcement has assured us they do, in ports all over Long Island, then yes, I have a problem with that, just as I have a problem with any boat crew that knows poaching is going on and lets it contine.

    And no, I'm not going to champion your positions on MRIP or anything else. Why would I promote ignorance, when you do such a good job of doing that on your own? The National Academy gave MRIP a pretty good review--not perfect, but pretty good--and I'll certainly take their word over those of someone who, I suspect, lacks even a baccalaureate degree in statistics. Not even sure how you could comment on something that you lack the training to understand.

    Of course, that never stopped you before.

    As far as my experience on the water goes, you again exhibit your ignorance. I've fished actively for virtually all of my life, and for more than 60 years. I've fished on every coast of the United States including Alaska and Hawaii. I've put in more than my time, and cashed more than my share of tournament checks, won on boats that I've run. But, as always, if a lie serves your purposes, you seem willing to use one. No, I'm not a professional fisherman, nor was I ever so desparate for money, or so greedy, that I felt a need to sell my catch. But doing the same thing day after day isn't, in the end, thousands of days of experence; much of it is merely experiencing the same few things thousands of times. There comes a point of diminishing returns; over the years, I have gained more than enough experience to understand what'[s going on--and to recognize the changes that occur over time.

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  17. But the biggest point here is that you somehow think that I'm accountable to you, and somehow should be supporting yur position. You're one person, represnting one sector, that makes up a very small part of th fishery. That sector is entitled to survive or fail depending upon whether it is nimble enough to change as conditions change, and to evaluate and adapt for all risk--incuding regultory risk.

    The business environment is constantly changing. Risk, including regulatory risk, always exist. If businesses want to survive, they need to anticipate changing conditions, anticipate risk, and adapt their practices in order to survive. Attempting to cling to a 1870s paradigm in a rapidly aging 21st Century is a good way to fail.

    It's attractive to try to blame folks like me for that, but I'm not the one who collapsed the flounder stock, made most of the cod disappear, ended the NY Bight whiting fishery, terminated the spring mackerel run, pushed down blackfish numbers or lowered recruitment for fluke and bluefish. I'm not the one who made canyon tuna trips less productive than they used to be.
    I'm not the one who effectively reduced what had been a 12-month party boat season (maybe 9 or 10 months in the bays) to a shaky April-December in the ocean and May-October, maybe November, inside. I didn't cause the economic demographic or social changes that have led to people spending less time in outdoor activities (yes, even the number of golfers is down).

    But blaming someone else is easier than looking at yourself, and accepting that you need to change things, broaden your customer base, and maybe make the boats more attractive to non-traditional customers. It's always easier to cling to th past than open yourself up to the future.

    And fishermen are more adverse to change than most.

    But time is moving forward. If your industry doesn't move forward with it, and tries to live in the past, it will die.

    All the invective you throw isn't going to change that.

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  18. More verbal diarea.
    You live by the numbers, you for by the numbers.

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  19. More verbal diarea.
    You live by the numbers, you're going to die by the numbers.

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  20. FCW
    Disgusting wall street lawyer sell out slob.

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  21. Charles has already once went down in flames �� with disgraced Lehman brothers. Also gets paid for eco terrorist blogs and fishes for free with money �� from Stony Brook for fuel , ice , bait. Capt of the dhark �� tagging scam. Pathetic ENGO bought and paid for piece of trash. Very tough and firery at tonight's meeting. You are a pathetic loser.

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